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Thursday, March 29, 2007

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Gary

2001 always makes me think.

I think Heather (since she finds everything first) showed me this (or maybe not)
2001 explained I haven't watch this in a while but I remember it being pretty good.

I'm having trouble coming up with any others. I think it's because I'm so smart I've already thought of everything in movies. Or Heather thought of it and told it to me. She and I used to chat a lot. I think we covered almost everything.

Heather

2001 makes your head hurt every time.

Go. To. College.

Heather

Yeah, it's advice. What're you gonna do: fight me?

Gary

Who are you talking to? I've been to college.

Gary

Duh I get it - you're telling him to go to college. The "your" threw me off. 2001 doesn't make my head hurt. I just never fully undderstood it, although I liked it. It provokes thought.

messiestobjects

Actually I read the book 2001 a ways back, which explains all of the events much more thouroughly than the movie does, so, I get the movie. I'll be wrong about this, but I believe that Kubrick and Arthur C. Clark developed the movie and book simultaneously... I think K. contacted A. and said, "hey, I wanna do an über sci-fi- flick", and A. said, "hey, there's a project I've been meaning to work on that might be just the thing."

But that movie totally rocks. I can't wait to watch it on my home theatre system some day.

messiestobjects

Heather, I'm gonna kick your ass after school!

(D'oh! Get it, after school? Because you advised me to go to college and I was gonna kick your ass after school!? Because I didn't want advice?! Ha!!)

Moving on... Donnie Darko blows my mind a little bit every time also, although I am beginning to suspect that that is more because of Directorly trickery than big ideas. But that's cool too.

Miss Luongo

Hiroshima Mon Amour. I was forced to think about it not once, but 3 times for different classes. Once was when I was studying post-WWII Japanese lit. Another was in a film class with a documentarian who was into the cinematography. And the last was in a grad school film-as-lit class with a writer/philospoher who talked about Duras and Derrida. I thought that movie from every angle and then some. And you know what sticks? A random detail the writer/philosopher mentioned as an aside:

The French woman and her Japanese lover are out at a restaurant and he's pouring sake for her and she's getting drunk and yammering on and on. But he's not drinking. Turns out, it's rude to pour your own drink. She clearly doesn't know this and hence never pours him any sake. Poor guy. He could have used a drink to make her drunken squawking tolerable.

I don't recommend this movie nor do I recommend these sorts of classes.

messiestobjects

Hmmm... so, did the movie make you think, or the class? Sounds like you learned to dislike the movie, so I'm going with the class.

Not exactly what I was looking for, but I'll give you an A (as in A-Bomb!) for effort.

Heather

Film classes RULE. D.W. Griffiths, Buster Keaton, Charlie Chaplin, Leni Riefenstahl, Hitchcock, Kurosawa? OMG. Film classes! Mwah!

Heather

Un Chien Motherf*cking Andalou? Film class is where it's AT, fools.

Miss Luongo

Sure, the movie made me think. The classes made me over-think. I suppose they also showed me how to think differently. However, if you catch me talking about Derrida, please roll your eyes dramatically.

messiestobjects

Film snobs.

Miss Luongo

The Thief the Cook the Wife and her Lover made my little college-girl heart explode when I first saw it. Accessible story with lots of symbolic visual layers. Art + story - whew, that was quite an experience. I saw that in 1989 and I'm still thinking about it. I wonder if it holds up over time. I might have to see it again.

Gary

I remember in college these guys that were all into the movie Kafka - so much so that they stole the tape from the video store. I don't remember if it was any good as a movie, but the mise-en-scène was amazing (there you go - some film class talk) ;) Seriously you could make a thousand still photos from that movie that would all look incredible.

Gary

hehehe someone better edit my last comment

messiestobjects

Got it... Well, I don't know if you're thinking about me and He-who-shall-not-be-named ex-roomate, but, I did that. I still have it, too. I worked at a video store at one point and I grabbed Kafka the minute it was up for grabs. We way overwatched that one.

Heather

"Triumph of the Will" ruins my mind because it's this incredibly breathtaking piece of cinema, and all the while, it's Nazi propaganda. Makes for a lot of squirming and self-examination, two of my favorites.

Heather

Hey! Crime made it to this post, too. Nice work, people.

Miss Luongo

I spent a lot of time thinking about Requiem for a Dream. I also spent a lot of time thinking about my friend who had me watch it. Does he know me at all? Does he hate me? Why would he do that to me?

Heather

This will seem obvious, but that's why I'm pointing it out: Being John Malkovich. Pass the dutchie, mang. And tip o' the day, never, ever watch 2001 stoned in Berlin. Just trust me: no good can come from it.

messiestobjects

Sighh... I guess the others don't want to play my game. Sweet! See now my blog won't decend into comment hell, like Julie's. Nyah nyah.

(I'm not jealous. Nope. Not me. INTPs don't get jealous, right Julie? (Come on, back me up on this.))

Never seen The Thief the Cook the Wife and her Lover, Triumph of the Will, Hiroshima Mon Amour or Requiem for a Dream. Although I've purposefully avoided that last one for quite some time now. After being told by everyone I know who has seen is that they wanted to kill themselves afterwards, (because of depression, not because it's bad) I have never really found myself in the mood for film-induced suicide.

Wolfboy kindly sent me a two-week free coupon for Netflix, so perhaps at some point I'll catch up on those.

Heather

"Don't watch movies that make you want to kill yourself." That's good advice.

Gary

Oh hell yeah - Malkovich and Adaptation. I love that guy. Charlie Kaufman. And Spike Jonez. Love those.

I suggest avoiding Lars Von Trier's movies. I think he gets off on abusing actresses.

wolfboy

Never understood being confused by 2001. It's all pretty much right there on the screen. What you see happen is what happens. Maybe it's the lack of a central character to identify with, or the radical jumps in time and place that throw people. I guess its third act switch from a more or less objective, observational perspective to a subjective, experiential one messes with people as well, but really, what's happening at the end isn't any different from what happens to the proto-humans at the beginning. It's just the next step.

wolfboy

Oh - CHILDREN OF MEN's pretty great. Everybody see it.

Heather

2001 never confused me; it made me think and want to keep Kubrick's brain in formaldehyde so I could study it and learn things, but it didn't confuse me. It UN-confused me.

wolfboy

Arthur C. Clarke wrote a short story called "The Sentinel" (about the monkeys and the monolith), which Kubrick optioned and developed into 2001. Clarke then novelized the screenplay and expanded on its ideas in further books.

Heather

Can't beat 'em. Either of 'em.

Heather

OK. "Eyes Wide Shut" can be beaten a little bit. But still.

messiestobjects

I was wondering when you'd chime in there, wolfie! Children of Men was awesome. I saw it in the theatre and it went right through my chest in a way few films do, especially that scene when Clive is walking out of the bombed out building with his little package and the soldiers are all stunned... really amazing.

I knew it was something like that, with 2001. Did you check out that link that Gary posted? It's pretty cool, actually, and even though I knew some of that stuff from the book, it was a neat presentation and there were a few points I'd never pieced together...

Heather

I am seriously conflicted about posting this. I don't know if outside of the context of a film class, it should even be seen. But I can't believe the internet. Amazing! Assuming you have a huge screen and two hours to kill.

Heather

Definitely full-screen it.

messiestobjects

Feel no confliction! Wir sind hier Nazis alles, ja? Jahwol!

Um... please disregard the idiot using my keyboard.

Heather

Du bist ein Nazi, naturlich, aber quit projecting! Ha! Projecting. My week of Arbeit has made my weekend Frei, so I must say to you now: Blades of Glory uber alles!

SaranneFosselmanMiller

Hmmmm. Movies that make you think. Those are really the only ones I am drawn to. But before I suggest a few, I have to not give you advice.

I haven't been writing because all that I want to write about is this rut that I am in and I figured that nobody wanted to listen to me whine about my rut. (LOL) I recently gave my notice at one of my jobs. (I have a few of them to compensate for being a loser. It throws people off the loser scent and presents me as an over-achiever.) Everyone keeps asking me what I'm going to do now. I don't know, I tell them. Silence. One person even went as far this week as to state, "I heard you got a new job!"

"I did?" I asked. Silence.

I love it. I love existing in a society where everyone is doing the "right thing" and "earning a living" and "being responsible adults." And here I am, livin' by the seat of my pants.

"How will you pay for your kids' tuition?" someone asked me last week. (private school)

"I don't know," I answered.

"How will you pay for all those fun things you guys do in the summer?" another person asked.

"We're going to have a lot of picnics and play at the creek," I answered.

This was the answer to my rut. I figured that since nothing was moving around in my life, I'd get the shit out of the way to make room for that cool thing that is about to happen to me. I don't feel irresponsible. I feel like I took action against something that was slowly sucking me dry.

Now that I have filled a page with a single comment and most people probably stopped reading after the first paragraph, I am too tired to give you my list of thoughtful movies. But you know I will be back. I always come back.

messiestobjects

You should never be shy about writing about the bad things in your life, such as ruts. Some of the greatest novels ever are about that! So, I expect to see a post from you soon about your funny rut. Seeing the humor in your situation is always the key. Go rent Bartleby with Crispin Glover and you'll feel better.

Heather

OMG. I love that movie.

Heather

In fact, I had to watch that in... an English class. Come to think of it, all I did in college was watch movies. The good news is that I've only got 25 years left to pay back my loans! Thanks, higher education!

Heather

I should have pointed out that Triumph of the Will is a documentary. Which is the main reason it's such a mind-ruiner for me: it's just life in 1934 Germany being filmed as it was happening. We generally don't realize what a rock star/messiah Hitler was to these people at the time. It's totally unsettling.

wolfboy

Actually, TRIUMPH OF THE WILL is textbook propaganda, not documentarian at all. Everything in it has been set up for the camera, designed and pre-rigged for optimum coverage of 'events'. The one thing it most definitely is not is 'just life in 1934 Germany being filmed as it was happening'. The whole point of the film was to *convince* the German people that Hitler was a rock star/messiah - and to intimidate the rest of the world as well.

Heather

The Olympics? Really?

Heather

The coverage may have been choreographed, but the events themselves were taking place. I'd go with "manipulated", but not "staged".

Heather

Wikipedia: "Triumph of the Will was a documentary glorifying Hitler and widely regarded as one of the most effective pieces of propaganda ever produced. It is generally regarded as a masterful, epic, innovative work of documentary filmmaking. Because it was commissioned by the Nazi party and used as propaganda, however, critics have said it is nearly impossible to separate the subject from the artist behind it."

Heather

Tell it to the hand, Jeff Rydell.

messiestobjects

Ohhhh snap! No you di'nt, girl!

Heather

That just sounds gavy.

messiestobjects

Gayy. The word is gayy. You don't get to re-coin my homonym.

wolfboy

OLYMPIA is the documentary of events that would have transpired camera or no camera (it's still propagandist, however). TRIUMPH is not the same thing, and is a rally that's been staged for the express purpose of being filmed.

Heather

Olympia's good shit, but still I say, "Tell it to the Wikipedia." Or, to my by-now-dead film professor. And now, you leave me no choice but to challenge you to a duel. *SMACK.*

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